On 2015.05.14 11:56, mindis wrote:
> On 2015.05.14 11:04, eSSas wrote:
>>>>>> Suyra jis tipo per dvi savaites.
>>>>> ? vitaminus i?siskaido? :)
>>>>
>>>> Anglies dvidegini ir fosfata. Kurio bijai labiau?
>>>>
>>> ar tikrai ?:
>>> Glyphosate adsorbs strongly to soil, and residues are expected to
>>> generally be immobile in soil. Ground and surface water pollution is
>>> limited. Glyphosate is readily degraded by soil microbes to
>>> aminomethylphosphonic acid (AMPA) and carbon dioxide.
>>> ne toks jau cia paprastas fosfatas:
>>> Aminomethylphosphonic acid (AMPA) is a weak organic acid with a
>>> phosphonic acid group. It is one of the primary degradation products of
>>> the herbicide glyphosate.[1] AMPA has low toxicity which is comparable
>>> to that of glyphosate and it is therefore considered to be of no greater
>>> toxicological concern than glyphosate itself.[2]
>>> aha tipo skaitomas mazai toksisku, mazdaug tiek pat kiek pats roundup-as
>>> ???!!!!
>>
>> Po to einanti sakini pamirsai samoningai ;-)?
>>
>> AMPA has been shown to be broken down further by manganese oxide which
>> occurs naturally in soil,[3] or to phosphoric acid via bacterial
>> action [4][5] and ultimately to carbon dioxide and inorganic
>> phosphate.[6]
>>
>> wikipedikai mlia...
>>
>> S.
>>
>>
> o pirmo, antro sakinio nepastebejai?  - "residues are EXPECTED to
> generally be immobile in soil", "Ground and surface water pollution is
> LIMITED".
> ir gal zinoma per kiek laiko dirvos mikrobai suskaido tapati glifosata
> ir AMPA? del mangano oksido irgi didelis klaustukas - kiek jo dirvoj yra
> ir kiek eilinis Monsanto gerbejas tu herbicidu ispyle ir kaip daznai.
> pasikartosiu - dar man pamenamais laikais dustas irgi buvo taip pat
> placiai naudojamas ir "nekenksmingas". tu tikras kad tas pats nenutiks
> su glifosatu ?
>
bliamba, pradedu suprast kokio velnio mano prude antri metai siuliniai 
dumbliai (lot.algae) bujoja, nors aplink tik pusynas ir visiskas 
priesmelis su mazai organikos - per kelia uz kokio 100-150 metru keliu 
hektaru javu laukas. o 1.5m gylyje gruntinis vanduo tyvuliuja ir i mano 
puse teka. Pazistama biologa labai stebina toks siuliniu dumbliu kiekis 
smelyje iskastam prude.