Jo - o ash Sodeika per ta laika paskaichiau, lietuviai vel tarp 3 terminu pasiklydo? Anglai su transcendental ishsiverchia, kokiam asilui - vertejui ish filosofu prieike painiava terminuose ivesti? On 2010-08-24 14:40:02 +0300, Toxis@ze_yvil_place said: > kadangi neturiu poranka (darbe) kanto, o originalo kalba deja jo neteko > skaityt, gal pradzhiai pakaks ishtraukos ish prof A. Plėšnio > "Analitinės Krypties filosofija": "Savąjį tyrimo būdą Kantas vadina > transcendentaliniu, skirdamas jį nuo transcendentinio tyrimo. Mat > transcendentinis tyrimas, anot Kanto, peržengdamas patyrimą, siekia > pažinti daiktÄ > tokį, koks jis yra savaime (tai, kÄ > Aristotelis vadintų bÅ«timi pirmÄ > ja prasme), o tai, atseit, neįmanoma. O transcendentaliniu Kantas > vadina „kiekvieną pažinimą, kuriam apskritai labiau rūpi ne objektai, > bet būdas, kuriuo mes pažįstame objektus, kiek šis būdas turi būti > galimas a priori“5. Vadinasi, metafizika, kuri siekia būti mokslu, o ne > nuolatinių ginčų, prieštaravimų ir klaidų arena, privalo tirti ne > transcendentinius objektus, bet pažinimo būdą, kiek jis galimas a > priori. Pažinimo būdas, o ne būtis yra pagrindinis, Kanto požiūriu, > filosofijos uždavinys. Kanto vartojamas žodis transcendentalinis gali > suklaidinti mažiau atidų skaitytoją. Lygiai kaip „transcendentalinis > pasaulio pažinimas“ reiškia būdo, kuriuo pažįstamas pasaulis, o ne > pasaulio pažinimą, taip ir „transcendentalinis Dievo pažinimas“ > nereiškia Dievo pažinimo. " > > > > Plėšnys А., "Analitinės Krypties filosofija" Leidykla: VU leidykla 2010 > m. p. 7 > > > > "smokas" <no@nop.nop> wrote in message news:i50ah5$iuu$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... > > > Gali pacituoti tai originalo kalba? > > > > > > On 2010-08-24 14:26:08 +0300, Toxis@ze_yvil_place said: > > > > > >> tai ish tikruju neskiri! ta ir norejau suzhinot.. kas idomiausia, kad > > >> pats kantas ir kategorishkai atskyre shias savokas:) > > >> > > >> "smokas" <no@nop.nop> wrote in message > news:i508te$g9k$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... > > >> > >>>> Tartautini zodziu zodynas: >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> > transcendentinis [lot. transcendens (kilm. transcendentis) - >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> > peržengiantis] 1. filos. esantis anapus kokios nors sferos, anapus >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> > pasaulio; neprieinamas patyrimui; I. Kanto filosofijoje - esantis už >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> sąmonės ir pažinimo ribų (“daiktas pats savaime”); 2. mat. >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> > transcendentus. >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> > On 2010-08-24 13:56:41 +0300, Toxis@ze_yvil_place said: >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> http://www.filosofija.vu.lt/tekstai/kantas.htm#_Toc98261573 >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> na, mane tokios terminologijos ishmoke filosofijos fakas, jei tamstai >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> zhinoma kazhkokia asmenine terminologija, deja nieko negaliu padet, ar >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> mes tiesiog visgi nezhinom skirtumo tarp transcendentilines ir >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> trenscendentines? >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> "smokas" <no@nop.nop> wrote in message >>>> >>>> >> news:i506ov$cng$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> > Joo - ryte uzsimauname sock'us, apsivelkame jacket'a ir draiviname i >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> worka :))) >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> > Geresni buda, kaip pademonstruoti savo neishmanyma filosofijos >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> > LIETUVISHKUOSE terminuose (transcendentalinis :))))) ir ergo >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> > filosofijoje bei parodyti liumpenintelektualishkas zagres rankenas ish >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> > kisheniu sunku buvo sugalvoti :) >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> > On 2010-08-24 09:52:52 +0300, Toxis@ze_yvil_place said: >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Empirinis~transcendentalinis pazhinimas (ar mes maishom >>>> transcendentini >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> su transcendentaliniu?). >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> "smokas" <no@nop.nop> wrote in message >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> news:i4ueqf$gc8$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > Na gal tamsta paskaitykite empirinis vs transcendendinis >>>> pazinimas, ir >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > paaishkes kodel agnostikai ateistus silpnaprochiais laiko :) >>>> - maziau >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> ostapo benderio lygio ateistine propaganda su sovietinio meshlo >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >> > kvapeliu reikes varineti :) >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >> > On 2010-08-23 21:28:14 +0300, trickyvic said: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >> > >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >> Ateistas automatiskai yra tas zmogus kuris netiki i >>>> sugalvotus pasaku >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >> >> >> herojus ? 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