Bravo :) apie transcendentine/empirine pazinimo metodologija 
pashnekejom - toliau gal link Russelo laishko ish karto eisime, ar koki 
tarpini filosofa panagrinesime?

On 2010-08-26 14:25:36 +0300, Toxis@ze_yvil_place said:

> na vistiek neradau, kur kantas vadintu ateistus idiotais, vieninteli 
> dalyka, ka jis sake, kad neimanoma irodyti aukshciausios butybes 
> nebuvimo (kas yra ganetinai keistas posakis ish tokio zhmogaus lupu, 
> nors tai ir tiesa, bet lygiai taip pat negalima irodyti ir smurfu 
> pedofilu nebuvimo, senio shalchio nebuvimo - neimanoma irodyti 
> neiginio, yrodymai krenta ant teigianchiosios puses)
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> cituoju kanta "Transcendental theology is still therefore, notwithstanding its
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> objective insufficiency, of importance in a negative respect; it is
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> useful as a test of the procedure of reason when engaged with pure
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> ideas, no other than a transcendental standard being in this case
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> admissible. For if, from a practical point of view, the hypothesis
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> of a Supreme and All-sufficient Being is to maintain its validity
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> without opposition, it must be of the highest importance to define
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> this conception in a correct and rigorous manner--as the
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> transcendental conception of a necessary being, to eliminate all
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> phenomenal elements (anthropomorphism in its most extended
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> signification), and at the same time to overflow all contradictory
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> assertions--be they atheistic, deistic, or anthropomorphic. This is
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> of course very easy; as the same arguments which demonstrated the
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> inability of human reason to affirm the existence of a Supreme Being
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> must be alike sufficient to prove the invalidity of its denial. For
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> it is impossible to gain from the pure speculation of reason
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> demonstration that there exists no Supreme Being, as the ground of
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> all that exists, or that this being possesses none of those properties
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> which we regard as analogical with the dynamical qualities of a
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> thinking being, or that, as the anthropomorphists would have us
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> believe, it is subject to all the limitations which sensibility
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> imposes upon those intelligences which exist in the world of
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> experience."
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> toliau jis tik sako, kad ateizmas, fanatizmas, fatalizmas, 
> materialzimas ir prietarai yra zhalingi "At the same time it does not 
> deprive the speculative philosopher of
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> his just title to be the sole depositor of a science which benefits
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> the public without its knowledge--I mean, the Critique of Pure Reason.
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> This can never become popular and, indeed, has no occasion to be so;
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> for finespun arguments in favour of useful truths make just as
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> little impression on the public mind as the equally subtle
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> objections brought against these truths. On the other hand, since both
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> inevitably force themselves on every man who rises to the height of
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> speculation, it becomes the manifest duty of the schools to enter upon
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> a thorough investigation of the rights of speculative reason and,
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> thus, to prevent the scandal which metaphysical controversies are
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> sure, sooner or later, to cause even to the masses. It is only by
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> criticism that metaphysicians (and, as such, theologians too) can be
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> saved from these controversies and from the consequent perversion of
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> their doctrines. Criticism alone can strike a blow at the root of
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> materialism, fatalism, atheism, free-thinking, fanaticism, and
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> superstition, which are universally injurious--as well as of
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> idealism and scepticism, which are dangerous to the schools, but can
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> scarcely pass over to the public. If governments think proper to
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> interfere with the affairs of the learned, it would be more consistent
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> with a wise regard for the interests of science, as well as for
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> those of society, to favour a criticism of this kind, by which alone
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> the labours of reason can be established on a firm basis, than to
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> support the ridiculous despotism of the schools, which raise a loud
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> cry of danger to the public over the destruction of cobwebs, of
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> which the public has never taken any notice, and the loss of which,
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> therefore, it can never feel."
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> kodel jis suplake free-thinkinga (beja, agnostikai irgi skaitosi 
> free-thinkeriai, taigi jis ir ant taves uzhvazhiavo), ateizma su 
> fatalizmu ir prietaringumu, tai yra klasikiniai antipodai, bet ish 
> kitos puses tai atleistina, jis gyveno ir rashe tais laikais kai 
> bazhnychia turejo labai didele itaka, tiek gaunant ishsilavinima, tiek 
> norint dirbt univere, taigi, gal but nereiktu pykt.. Anyway, dar vis 
> laukiu citatos kur kantas ateistus vadina idiotais...
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> "smokas" <no@nop.nop> wrote in message news:i50fai$rn3$1@trimpas.omnitel.net...
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> > Na va, atsiunchiau i tavo nekenchiama iPad'a Kanta - tiek vokishkai, 
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> > tiek anglishkai:
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> > puslapiai (anglishko varianto) 361(ishoriniu objektu empirinis 
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> > pazinimas) ir 763 (po transcendentionio objekto pazinimo budu analizes).
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> > 
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> > On 2010-08-24 13:57:41 +0300, Toxis@ze_yvil_place said:
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> >> tai puslapio visgi nerandame? ar tiesiog eilini karta kliedime apie beleka?
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> >> 
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> >