1) Kas tame puslapyje negerai? 2) Kodėl mano taisyklinga lietuvių kalba grįžta sudarkyta (Uþ þemaitiðkà ðnekà Þemaitijos mokyklose ir baudþiama, ir glostoma) Romas Z. wrote: > O kai kuriu lietuviu kalbos jausmas irgi abejotinas: > > > http://klaipeda.diena.lt/vaizdai/dienos-kadrai > > > > "GK" <kadagys@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:h8f9i1$dh4$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >> Visur pasaulyje kasmet maze.ja tarmiskai arba nevalstybine kalba >> kalbanc(iu; zmoniu; skaic(iai. Tai prestizo klausimas. Tarme. arba >> nevalstybine. kalba neturi prestizo, tai vis didesne. dalis zmoniu; >> (ypatingai jaunimas) ge.dinasi ja kalbe.ti. Atvyke; imigrantai tos >> vietine.s tarme.s/kalbos nenori mokytis - pav. catalán Ispanijoje >> (Barcelonoje) ir prancu-zu; kalba Kanadoje (Monrealyje). Imigrantai >> mano, kad uztenka moke.ti visos valstybe.s daugumos kalba. Taip ir >> buvo su rusiakalbiais imigrantais Lietuvoje. Kol lietuviu; kalba >> netapo valstybine., tie visi imigrantai mane., kad uztenka moke.ti >> rusiskai. >> >> Stai vienas airis raso apie airiu; kalba (Irish Gaelic): >> >> I live abroad (in Holland) and I just read through this thread today, >> it is very interesting to hear some of the current opinions about the >> use of the Irish language. >> >> I have to say that I agree very much with the idea that lots of Irish >> people are ashamed to speak Irish in public. Last year I was in >> holiday in Donegal and I was just too ashamed to speak Irish in the >> shop. I got an A in the Leaving Cert (albeit in 1989) and still I can >> rarely bring myself to speak the language to other Irish people. >> >> My reasons for rarely speaking Irish are twofold. On the one hand, >> Irish speakers who can speak English are often very critical if you >> want to speak it and you get major resistance. If you get bitten >> enough times you don't bother even trying any more. On the other >> hand, any native Irish speakers I came across were condescending >> about my >> Irish. I never met a native speaker who was willing to speak more >> slowly and explain words that I did not understand. >> >> The irony is that I love languages and every day I speak at least two >> languages other than English (Polish to my wife and Dutch at work) >> and I speak three other languages regularly and well. >> >> For me it is a source of shame that I now speak other languages much >> better than Irish. The main cause though is that I have never had one >> single Irish friend who wanted to speak it. I have just slipped >> further and further from the level that I had leaving school. >> >> However, I see a lot of hope now. It can't be long before TG4 will be >> freely available as a digital channel anywhere in the world so I will >> be able to watch Irish television when I want. It is already possible >> to hear RnaG on the net but technology will surely soon bring that >> cheaply to a handheld device. Irish language books are available for >> purchase on the net. An Irish language group has started in The Hague >> that meets once a month. >> >> Maybe with all of these things I can revive my Irish and maybe even >> meet some people who actually want to use what is indeed a precious >> and beautiful language. >> >> Romas Z. wrote: >>> O kaip tau atrodo? >>> >>> >>> >>> "Memba of board" <bbd007@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:h8drjf$de5$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>> o kuris mokytojas durnesnis - ar kuris baudzia, ar nebaudzia? >>>> Ir kaip rasyti - "sostinë" ar "suostenë"? >>>> aciu. >>>> >>>> "Romas Z." <juozeta@jahu.kom> wrote in message >>>> news:h885to$5fb$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>> Nuo mokytojo durnumo priklauso. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "GK" <kadagys@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:h87v59$ptv$1@trimpas.omnitel.net... >>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Uþ þemaitiðkà ðnekà Þemaitijos mokyklose ir baudþiama, ir glostoma >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Eglë Samoðkaitë, www.DELFI.lt >>>>>>> 2009 rugpjûèio mën. 16 d. 17:31 >>>>>>> Draugës >>>>>>> <http://www.delfi.lt/archive/article.php?id=23598017&pictureID=23563443> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> © Corbis <http://pro.corbis.com/> >>>>>>> *Petaguora teorem yr stataus trëkampë statiniø kvadratø soma >>>>>>> lygi áþambënës kvadratou. Toks atsakymas á matematikos mokytojo >>>>>>> klausimà vienose Þemaitijos regiono mokyklose gali reikðti >>>>>>> sumaþintà paþymá, kitose situacija prieðinga - þemaitiðkai >>>>>>> kalbama net per lietuviø kalbos pamokas. Kaip DELFI pasakojo >>>>>>> prieð ketverius metus mokyklà baigusi skuodiðkë Monika, >>>>>>> þemaitiðka tarmë buvusioje jos mokykloje skambëjo ne tik per >>>>>>> pertraukas, bet ir pamokø metu.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tuo metu Þemaièiø partijos pirmininkas Egidijus Skarbalius sako >>>>>>> girdëjæs skundø, kad vaikai "lauþiami" per visas pamokas kalbëti >>>>>>> bendrine kalba, o jeigu ðiems nesiseka - maþinami paþymiai. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Maþina paþymius uþ kirèiavimo klaidas* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Praëjusiais metais ásteigtos Þemaièiø partijos pirmininkas E. >>>>>>> Skarbalius sako, kad jo atþaloms patirti sunkumø dël þemaièiø >>>>>>> kalbos vartojimo mokykloje netenka, taèiau pasakoja girdëjæs ne >>>>>>> vienà skundà, kad kai kuriose mokyklose mokiniai uþ þemaitiðkà >>>>>>> tartá yra baudþiami - dël kirèiavimo klaidø jiems maþinami >>>>>>> paþymiai. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Negaliu pasakyti, kad vyktø rankø lauþymas, bet vyresnëse >>>>>>> klasëse, kai pradedami raðyti ávertinimai, maþina paþymius. Nes >>>>>>> tai yra tarimo, kirèiavimo klaidos", - sakë E. Skarbalius. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Politiko tvirtinimu, problemø daþniausiai kyla tuomet, kai tam >>>>>>> tikrà dalykà dëstantis mokytojas pats nëra þemaitis arba >>>>>>> gëdijasi kalbëti þemaitiðkai. Esà tokie pedagogai ypaè linkæ >>>>>>> bausti mokinius uþ netaisyklingà tartá. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Taèiau E. Skarbaliaus sûnûs, jo pasakojimu, dideliø problemø >>>>>>> mokykloje nepatiria - esà mokytojai tik subtiliai uþsimena, kad >>>>>>> politiko atþalos daro daug kirèiavimo klaidø, kurios susijusios >>>>>>> su þemaitiðka tartimi. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tuo metu, skirtingai nei pasakoja E. Skarbalius, prieð ketverius >>>>>>> metus vidurinæ mokyklà Skuode baigusi Monika tikina nuobaudø uþ >>>>>>> þemaièiø tarmës vartojimà per pamokas niekada negavusi. "Niekada >>>>>>> nemaþindavo. Per matematikos pamokas visà laikà kalbëdavom >>>>>>> þemaitiðkai. Mums lengviau bûdavo kalbëti þemaitiðkai, o ne >>>>>>> literatûriðkai", - sakë mergina. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Klausiama, kaip kalbëdavo per lietuviø kalbos pamokas, skuodiðkë >>>>>>> pasakojo, kad ðiose pamokose vyraudavo miðri kalba - kartais >>>>>>> bûdavo kalbama bendrine kalba, kartais - þemaièiø tarme. "Kai >>>>>>> bûdavo lietuviø pamoka ar skaitiniai, mes skaitydavome >>>>>>> literatûriðkai, o paskui diskutuodavom þemaitiðkai", - sakë Monika. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Að net nesu girdëjusi, kad bûtø kà nubaudæ uþ kalbëjimà", - >>>>>>> stebëjosi mergina ir pridûrë, jog daþniausiai net mokytojai jos >>>>>>> mokykloje ðnekëjo þemaitiðkai. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *ÐMM: pamokos turi vykti valstybine kalba* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ðvietimo ir mokslo ministerijos (ÐMM) Pagrindinio ir vidurinio >>>>>>> ugdymo skyriaus vyriausioji specialistë Asta Nida Poderienë >>>>>>> DELFI sako, kad mokykloje pamokos turëtø vykti bendrine kalba. >>>>>>> "Mokiniai privalo kalbëti taisyklingai lietuviðkai ir kirèiuoti >>>>>>> taisyklingai", - sakë ministerijos atstovë, taèiau pridûrë, kad >>>>>>> vaikams tarpusavyje nedraudþiama kalbëti tarmiðkai. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Ðiaip tarmës yra skatinamos ir vaikams nedraudþiama kalbëti >>>>>>> tarmiðkai, nes tarmës yra turtingos. Taèiau mes turime bendrinæ, >>>>>>> norminæ kalbà, kuri vartojama mokykloje ir vieðajame gyvenime", >>>>>>> - teigë A. N. Poderienë. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Paðnekovë, be kita ko, pabrëþë, kad jeigu bendrine kalba bûtø >>>>>>> kalbama tik per lietuviø kalbos pamokas, tai vaikai neiðmoktø >>>>>>> taisyklingai kalbëti, mat per savaitæ susidaro tik penkios >>>>>>> lietuviø kalbos pamokos. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Lietuviø kalba yra visus mokomuosius dalykus integruojanti >>>>>>> disciplina. Jeigu vaikas taisyklingai lietuviðkai kalbës tik per >>>>>>> lietuviø kalbos pamokas, tai per savaitæ susidarys tik penkios >>>>>>> pamokos, per kurias bus ðnekama bendrine kalba. Gimtosios kalbos >>>>>>> kompetencija tvirtinama per visus mokomuosius dalykus", - teigë >>>>>>> A. N. Poderienë. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pasak ÐMM atstovës, jeigu normine kalba bus kalbama tik per >>>>>>> lietuviø kalbos pamokas, tai vidurinæ mokyklà baigæs þmogus >>>>>>> nemokës kalbëti bendrine kalba ir ðnekës tarmiðkai arba þargonu. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Pradinukai þemaitiðkai kalba puikiai, vyresnieji ágûdþius >>>>>>> praranda* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Telðiø rajono vicemeras Vytautas Kleiva, klausiamas apie >>>>>>> þemaièiø tarmës vartojimà pamokose, sakë, kad dideliø problemø >>>>>>> nesama: pamokø metu esà skatinama kalbëti bendrine kalba, o >>>>>>> þemaièiø tarmë puoselëjama popamokinëje veikloje. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Kai dirbau Ðvietimo skyriaus vedëju, buvo tokiø minèiø, kad >>>>>>> galbût galëtume suaktyvinti þemaièiø kalbà, taèiau ið praktikos >>>>>>> galiu papasakoti. Esam vienais metais organizavæ Linksmøjø >>>>>>> iðradingøjø klubà ir á vertinimo sistemà buvo átraukta, kaip >>>>>>> vaikai vartoja þemaièiø tarmæ. Tai pradinukai labai graþiai >>>>>>> kalba þemaitiðkai, o vyresniesiems - truputëlá kyla problemø", - >>>>>>> sakë Telðiø vicemeras. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ðvietimà, kultûrà, verslà ir medicinà kuruojanti Skuodo rajono >>>>>>> vicemerë Odeta Þerlauskienë pasakojo, kad þemaièiø tarmë rajono >>>>>>> mokyklose vartojama visiðkai laisvai, be jokiø ribojimø - esà >>>>>>> mokytojai tik medþiagà iðdësto bendrine kalba, nes tai padaryti >>>>>>> þemaitiðkai yra ganëtinai sunku. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Pamokose nëra draudþiama þemaitiðkai kalbëti. Kas nori, tas >>>>>>> gali kalbëti, tik tiek, kad mokytojui þemaièiø kalba sunkiau >>>>>>> iðdëstyti medþiagà, bet jeigu moksleivis atsistojæs pradeda >>>>>>> þemaitiðkai klabëti - niekas jam nedraudþia", - teigë O. >>>>>>> Þerlauskienë, kuri pati anksèiau yra dirbusi mokykloje. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skuodo vicemerë, be kita ko, priminë, kad rajono savivaldybës >>>>>>> taryba 2007 m. patvirtino veiklos reglamentà, kuriuo nustatë, >>>>>>> jog per savivaldybës tarybos posëdþius bus kalbama tik >>>>>>> þemaitiðkai. "Klausimus, aiðku, bûna sunku pristatyti >>>>>>> þemaitiðkai, bet kai bûna komitetø posëdþiai ar diskusijos, tai, >>>>>>> be iðimties, visi ðneka tik þemaitiðkai, - sakë O. Þerlauskienë. >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >