Tema: Re: Ukraina - Vakaru pozicija
Autorius: MRT
Data: 2014-04-24 15:33:05
>> Marcinkonyse kas ausintu?.. cia siaip pzdvojies?
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> Po Cernobylio zmoniu, kurie noretu tokio montstro Lietuvoje, protiskais sveikais nelaikau. Gaila, kad is karto to nesupratai is 
> mesteletos minties, kad Lietuva galetu nusipirkti atomines Svedijoje. Cia tarp kitko. Del patrolinimo.

na turejom bene ilgiausia pimpala ... o visur kitur zymiai mazesni monstrai?..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_power_stations
Surusiavus pagal "Capacity" (pacioj wiki paspaudus pele ta stulpeli):
Prancuzijoj ~5200-5460 MWe trys monstrai - dvi po 4 reaktorius, viena 6.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_power_stations_in_the_world#Nuclear
8212MW, 6300MW, 5906MW ....., 4268MW
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_Europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_Germany
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_France
Cernobilis 4*1000 ... IAE 4*1500 (4nepradejo, 3sustabde).. gavos 2*1500.
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B3%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%90%D0%AD%D0%A1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignalina_Nuclear_Power_Plant
After the Chernobyl disaster of April 1986 the reactor was de-rated to 1,360 MW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_Nuclear_Power_Plant#Reactor_data
460+4*784+1100=4696 MW ... irgi monstras... didesnis uz Cerno..

> O jeigu rimtai tai as uz atomines, kurios butu statomos prie didziuju miestu ir naudojamos tu miestu sildymui, jeigu tai 
> neisvengiama.

Zodziu LT baisiau VAE nei kokia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarusian_nuclear_power_plant_project ?
Ji statoma arciau "didziuju miestu" ... salyga "jeigu" neispildoma.

> Nematau didelio skirtumo ar Ignalinoje monstras ar Vilniuje "liliputas".

Kodel manai, kad "liliputas" nesugebes deramai kaip milzinui prisikti apie save kaip milzinas?

> Jeigu butu miestuose referendumas tai as net neisivaizduoju kaip zmones balsuotu. Provincija juk pati balsaco uz prunskinius, kad 
> paliktu 30% reikalingu zmoniu ten. As ir pats nezinau del saves. Reaktorius, savaime suprantama, butu kokius 10 kartu silpnesnis. 
> Kaip naudojamas, pavyzdziui, laivuose.

Del saves tai zinau - siai dienai, pagal aptartus, perziuretus sprendimus
mano balsas butu pries kazkoki nuclear liliputa miestuose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_Lithuania
Vilnius Combined Heat and Power Plant Vilnius 54.6677508°N 25.1558805°E Fossil fuel 384 MW 1951–present
Vilnius Heat Plant Vilnius  Fossil fuel 12 MW 1951-present 913 MW heating power
Elektrėnai Power Plant Elektrėnai 54.7697761°N 24.647913°E Fossil fuel 1800 MW +435 MW 1962–present Cooled by the Elektrėnai 
Reservoir
Kaunas Hydroelectric Power Plant Kaunas 54.8739893°N 23.9994836°E Hydroelectric 100 MW 1960–present Created Kaunas Reservoir
Kruonis Pumped Storage Plant Kruonis 54.7990769°N 24.2470837°E Hydroelectric 900 MW 1992–present 4 units, 225 MW each

Sakai dar reikia zalio_atominio_liliputo?..

> Idomu kokio galingumo atominio ledlauzio Leninas reaktorius arba lektuvnesiuose/povandeniniuose laivuose?

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%91%D1%82%D1%80_%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_(%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80)
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B0_1144#.D0.9E.D1.81.D0.BD.D0.BE.D0.B2.D0.BD.D1.8B.D0.B5_.D1.82.D0.B0.D0.BA.D1.82.D0.B8.D0.BA.D0.BE-.D1.82.D0.B5.D1.85.D0.BD.D0.B8.D1.87.D0.B5.D1.81.D0.BA.D0.B8.D0.B5_.D1.8D.D0.BB.D0.B5.D0.BC.D0.B5.D0.BD.D1.82.D1.8B

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akademik_Lomonosov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLT-40_reactor
2 modified KLT-40S Nuclear Reactors (Icebreaker type) producing 70 MW electric or 300 MW heat power

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_K-141_Kursk
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A-141_%C2%AB%D0%9A%D1%83%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%C2%BB
Propulsion: 2 OK-650b nuclear reactors , 2 steam turbines, two 7-bladed propellers
Атомная, 2 реактора ОК-650В, тепловая мощность 2 × 190 МВт,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK-650_reactor
This pressurized water reactor (PWR) uses 20-45% enriched uranium-235[2] fuel to produce 190 MW of power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_marine_propulsion#Differences_from_land_power_plants
Differences from land power plants[edit]
Marine-type reactors differ from land-based commercial electric power reactors in several respects.
<..>
The fuel in a seagoing reactor is typically more highly enriched
 (i.e., contains a higher concentration of U235 vs. U238) than that used in a land-based nuclear power plant.

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Tada nelabai suprantu kas cia per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_Lithuania
Prie Kruonio 900MW "batareikos"... dar visokios:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilnius_Combined_Heat_and_Power_Plant
603MW heating power and 360 MW electric power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaunas_Combined_Heat_and_Power_Plant
Primary fuel natural gas / Secondary fuel mazut
Nameplate capacity 170 MW
Annual generation 610.000 MWh (power) / 1.540.000 MWh (heat)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaunas_Hydroelectric_Power_Plant
The plant, which has a capacity of 100.8 megawatts,
generated 316 gigawatt-hours of electricity in 2002.[3][4]
It supplies about 3% of the electrical demand in Lithuania.
Others 440MW  ( Fossil - 31 MW, Hydro - 27 MW, Wind - 282 MW, Solar 68 MW, Biomass - 33 MW )

Siaip tai mano kompetencijos ir profesijos toli grazu iki "zinau geresne alternatyva"...
Max klausima tik iskelt.. padiskutuot.. kad ir ta pati tryse ta viena reaktoriu ciulpsim ir visiems bus gana?..

Buvau IAE .. be reaktoriaus gyvas velnias infrastrukturos ten..
Tai statyt elektrine tik su vienu reaktoriumi .. na kiti faktoriai prisideda..
Gal rimtai nezinant galutiniu kainu ir projekto eigos kazkaip per daug kasti nedrasu.